Yecoo GT – Does this budget 2 in 1 worth your time?

Update: Yecoo team reached out and notify that they have taken the feedback to heart, and is in the process of addressing some of the lowlights. For now, the battery has already been upgraded to an even larger 10s5p 36V 11Ah Samsung battery, with a plan to further upgrade to a 15Ah & 17.5Ah option.
The grip tape design was also revised and looks to the better now.

Yecoo, a Chinese brand previously unheard of reached out to us to review one of their product Yecoo GT. I’ve never reviewed a budget 2 in 1 before and enthusiastically agreed to it. Who doesn’t like a good 2 in 1, could Yecoo GT hold a candle to the Evolves?

Yecoo GT Review

Right off the bat, my test show the marketed spec has been slighty inflated. So the chart and below is the tested specs of the Yecoo GT:

  • Top Speed: 21mph (35kmh)
  • Range: AT – 6miles (10km)
    83mm – 10 miles (16km)
  • Weight: AT – 19.6lbs (8.9kg)
    83mm – 16lbs (7.3kg)
  • Charge Time: 5hrs
  • Features: 2 belt motors, regenerative braking, handles up to 20% slope, swappable PU.
  • Price: 599USD with shipping included.

Build Quality

First thing first, let’s go through the superficial stuff.

Packaging

Everything is pretty rudimentarily packed.
I love how the square foams are cut out and place around the wheels to keep the board in place in the box, I think it’s cute.

The package did come with a full set of 83mm wheels and it’s set of belt and pulley. I am happy that it is included.

Other than that, we have all the usual stuff, T-tool, remote, and chargers.

Update: The packaging has since then received a much needed improvement.

New looks and packaging for Yecoo GT

Deck

Yecoo GT’s deck is a pretty standard generic long board deck with handle cut out. Being generic doesn’t mean it’s bad, it’s pretty comfortable.

It has a little nice concave to it and a tiny bit of flex to it.

Component Enclosures and ESC

Flipping the deck onto it’s back, we see the typical generic 2 enclosure set up. These are the plastic enclosure made famous by the original Meepo board. Inside them, houses the LingYi ESC and a 6s4p battery pack.

Knowing this pairing, some of you should already know what the performance would be like, but please read on!

The new battery enclosure for Yecoo GT is much bigger, due to bigger battery.

Wheels

The AT wheels are a set of 150mm silicon wheels. It’s not pneumatic tires. They are big, heavy, and they actually perform pretty well in rough terrain.

Being a 2 in 1, you can easily switch to the street set-up. The board comes with 83mm street wheels that are pretty meh in quality but of course it is up to you to switch to anything with a flywheel core.

Motor

The motor on the GT is a pair of 1000W 5065 outrunner motor.

Trucks

This is a pair of 250mm trucks that are used in many Chinese budget AT boards, they are okay.

What’s seems to puzzling to me is the use of barrel and cone bushing here. Granted that helps the board to turn more but it felt pretty weird riding tall with an AT set-up, yet the truck is so soft and unsteady. I have to tighten the trucks a bit for the ride to be steadier, that is to the detriment of maneuverability and increasing the turn radius; hard to get it right.

On the contrary, I find the truck set-up very comfortable on the street setup. Barrel and cone bushing gives a good amount of lean, wide truck, and low riding height make the board stable.

Remote

Pretty commonly used remote. It has 3 speed modes and 3 brake strength.

You can toggle between the speed mode by using the slides on the side of the remote. Brake mode can be toggled by pressing the power button while holding the throttle all the way back.

My suggestio, just stick with the lowest brake mode.

Capability

Range

While the marketing material rated the board as 6AH, I was dissapointed to learn that it was actually a 6s3p set-up. This means that Yecoo GT has a 144wh battery pack, which is the size of all base version Chinese budget board uses.

The AT wheels set-up got me 6.5miles (10.5km) before the battery ran out.
The Street set-up with 83mm wheels got me 10miles(16km).

I would expect worse from a 144wh battery on a belt drive but I guess limiting the top speed and power does help to get more range out of the Yecoo GT.

*I weigh around 154lbs (70kg) and was riding in a mostly flat area in a warm climate. 

Update: With the upgrade to 10s5p 36V 11Ah Samsung battery, the range and torque should see significant improvement.

Speed and Torque

I could only reach 21mph(35kmh) with the street set up.
With the AT-setup, I manage to reach a little bit less than that and hit 20.8mph(33.5km).

While I would like to be able to go faster in the street set-up, I am not looking to push the speed limit in AT, as riding high off the ground with a loose truck feels pretty sketchy!

23% hill, can’t get up

With a 6s4p set up, I’m betting the torque is gonna take a hit, and it did. On the AT set-up, Yecoo GT is unable to climb through a 23% graded hill. It almost can, almost.

Riding Experience:

Acceleration and Deceleration

Yecoo GT uses an older version of LingYi ESC and it has similar behavior. The smoothness of acceleration is pretty fair in street set up but in the AT set up the board seems to have trouble deliveing enough power to the motors, hence a slow throttle push will result in a ‘hesitant start’.

Braking curve is not the most intuitive with low brake strength initially and sudden ramping up of brake strength, when the throttle was pulled further back.

You can choose different brake strength in the setting by pulling the throttle back and pressing the power button, however, I don’t see the need to go beyond the lowest mode, as higher brake strength would just accentuate the problem.

Stability & Maneuverability

On the topic of stability and maneuverability, the nature of 2 in 1 presented Yecoo GT a dilemma.

Generally speaking, AT set-up would have a ‘tighter’ truck set-up to allow more stability, as you know, you will be riding quite high off the ground and in all kinds of terrain. This is why true AT trucks are often so difficult to turn. On the other hand, you will want a street set-up to have a loose truck, that allows you to have plenty of leans so you can have as much fun carving as possible.

In my opinion, Yecoo GT is set-up to be a pretty good longboard. I love wide trucks, and while 250mm trucks on 83mm wheels are a bit of overkill, that is the kind of overkill that I enjoy riding. The street setup is pretty maneuverable and very stable, thanks to the super wide truck. The barrel and cone bushing also allows the board to lean and turn easily.

Going from street setup to AT setup however, the story changed. For me, the AT set-up ride too high for my comfort level; plus a barrel and cone sacrifice stability for more turns and it just made the board unsteady.

Vibration & Terrain

Besides learning that I love wide trucks, the second thing I learned from Yecoo GT is that 6.5″ silicon tires are pretty good. It handles vibration and challenging terrain pretty well, almost as well as the standard pneumatic tires.

If you feel comfortable with the riding high off the ground and the inconsistent control behavior in AT set-up, Yecoo GT actually is pretty good in getting you through places.

Verdict

Everything about the Yecoo GT is pretty raw. From the packaging to the design to the control.

It is both too underpowered to be good AT board and too uncomfortable for a regular cruise ride. The big 6.5″ wheels are good enough to handle some really treacherous road, as long as you can stay on it.

As a street set-up, GT is a comfortable ride competing well with the most entry-level budget board. It is, however, not priced at the entry level.
Yecoo does have another product, GTS, which address some of the shortcomings of GT by using 10s3p battery pack and double barrel bushings for a more stable ride. So perhaps look that way?

Anyways, you can use our discount code ‘ESKATEHQ’ to receive a free battery upgrade when buying a Yecoo GT.

Visit Yecoo Board by clicking here.


EFlow X2 Electric Cruiser – “It’s Fine”

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Follow the discussion on Reddit here

If you want the TL;DR, see end of review

Let’s talk about “China Boards”

Meepo. Wowgo. Ownboard. Teamgee. There are countless “brands” that are putting out boards that sell at cheap prices but have off the shelf components. These boards flood the low end market, resulting in very similar products, the only differentiating factor at times being the form factor. In this review, we’re taking a look at one such product, the EFlow Electric Cruiser X2.

Due to the nature of these types of boards, I’m going to write this review somewhat differently than my previous ones. I’m going to use a bullet point format as an experiment. Sections will consist of Features, Test Results, Pros, Cons, and Closing Thoughts. I will also do a mini teardown so y’all curious peekers can see what goes into these types of boards.

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Features

  • Dual hub motors
  • 17mph advertised top speed
  • 3 ride modes
  • Standard “Boosted style” Hobbywing remote
  • Tiny form factor
  • 25% incline
  • IP65 liquid and dust rersistance
  • 10.8lb weight
  • Distinctive look and feel
  • Plastic deck construction with integrated enclosure
  • 10S1P Samsung INR18650-25R battery pack

Test Results

  • Extremely tiny platform suitable for low speed, low traffic density, low range transportation
  • Hobbywing remote paired with FOC based ESC makes for inoffensive board control
  • Eked out 3.5 miles of real world riding on top speed mode on hilly terrain
  • Truck and wheel hardware is just “fine”, stock bushings were atrocious
  • Dual hub motors do not provide much torque, not unexpected on a 1P battery setup. Steepest I was able to take it up was around 20% or so.

Teardown

On the test bench
11 screws hold the electronics cover closed
Some important bits labeled. Potted electronics… dangit
We can see it’s a 10S1P pack, but besides the cells being made by Samsung, we don’t really know anything else. Let’s find out!
Huge BMS for a 10S1P running the entire length of the pack
Cutting through the fishpaper reveals that they’re 25R cells, a relatively low discharge model for low power draw electronics and possibly quite a big of sag…

Pros

  • Extreme small size makes it easy to carry anywhere and unobtrusive to store
  • Built in rails under the deck contribute to ease of carry
  • Relatively quick charge time on a 2A charger due to smaller battery pack
  • Rock solid remote and control scheme due to Hobbywing ESC and remote
  • Inoffensive all-in-one package makes for a great errand board or campus cruiser
  • Kicktail is effective for what it is

Cons

  • Lack of top end, torque, and platform area means it’s annoying to ride across more varied terrain
  • Silver paint job on the plastic deck is very easy to scratch off, looks and feels cheap up close
  • Every time I use the kicktail I get scared I’m going to snap it off. Seems to be more for aesthetic than actual use

Closing Thoughts

  • Honestly, most everything about this board is just “fine”
  • If you know what you’re getting into in terms of range and use case, you will enjoy it
  • Be careful with the kicktail

Meepo Classic – A classic in the making

Foreword

Meepo has decided to end 2018 strong by releasing the 4th generation of their base line-up, Meepo Classic.

After staying with the old standard look for the past 3 generation, Meepo finally decided to switch things up and give us something much different in terms of looks, feels and fun. 

Introduction to MeepoBoards

Honestly, I do not think MeepoBoards needs any further introductions.

It is the brand that ignited the budget board market back in August 2017.
It is also the leading electric skateboard brand coming out of the China market.

Through this one short year, Kieran, the founder, has grown MeepoBoard from a small 3 person team to a full-fledged electric skateboard powerhouse.

Hey, we actually interviewed his 3 person operation back when he was just starting out with his original Meepo!

Meepo Classic Review

Meepo Classic stays true to its principle on delivery of a huge value for the price tag:

  • Top Speed: 25mph (40kmh)
  • Range: 11mil (18km)
  • Weight: 16lbs (7.2kg)
  • Charge Time: 3hrs
  • Features: 2 hub motors, weatherproof, Regenerative braking, handles up to 30% slope.
  • Price: less than 450 USD with shipping included.

Build Quality

Packaging

The elephant in the room will be how Meepo cloned the box design from the Enertion Raptor. 

Well.. bad Meepo.

So they have a really pretty box now. That’s a fact now.

The unboxing experience is actually awesome and that’s not something I say often about a Chinese budget board.

The inside of the box is pretty neat. It comes packed with appropriate use of an adequate amount of foam padding to keep the board protected.

The board also comes with T-Tool, an Allan key, a wrist band, some stickers, some name cards and- as per tradition- some extra foam padding for deck swap which I don’t think you should be using because spoiler alert… the deck is awesome.

Deck

I love this 9 ply maple deck that Meepo Classic is using. It’s easily the best quality deck on any budget board. 

It’s a gorgeous drop-through deck with a rocker and a nice concave. Standing and controlling the board is so comfortable with the low ride height and the concave on the board.

Height clearance might be a concern, this photo is taken over a speed ramp

It does have some flex to it, but understandably not very much, as it’s already so close to the ground.

Flex enough to scrap the ground…

The grip tape is nice too- not too harsh on skin or fabric. 

Love it, love it.

Component Enclosures and ESC

Meepo Classic stayed with the classic plastic enclosure.

This is supposed to be lighter but I would prefer them swapping over to the steel enclosure because plastics do crack over time and getting hit to the ground repeatedly is just going to accelerate that.

This is a drop-through deck with a rocker that gave only 1cm ground clearance after all.

After the first production run with LiYing ESC, Meepo decided to permanently switch to the Hobbywing ESC, which is the world’s favorite affordable ESC right now. We will get into its performance later in the riding experience section.

Wheels

Meepo Classic continues to use the same 90mm size hub and wheels, which is the industry norm right now.

The front wheel is 78A, and is as good as any stock wheel can get.

The hub motors has received an upgrade over the V2. It was said to be improved from the last version in quality and power. The PU sleeves is swappable, and the PU sleeves will only set you back 19USD(shipped) per sleeves to replace.

Although the bearing on the Meepo wasn’t branded, on a side by side comparison it rolls better than most generic boards. The bearing is manufactured by C&U Group, a name that might mean something to somebody else, not to me though.

Trucks

For the trucks, the Meepo Classic uses the Shredder trucks, which is a clone of Bear Kodiak trucks. (Of course, it’s not a forged truck like the bears truck is.)

Shredder trucks are practically my favorite budget trucks right now. It allows the use of tall barrel bushing. I find even in stock setting, Shredder trucks gave a better return to the center and are more springy than any non-branded trucks.

In fact, I would consider swapping all of my budget board electric skateboards to shredder trucks… that’s the extent of how much I like them.

Riding Experience:

Acceleration and Deceleration

There are 3 ride modes:

  1. Slow mode with a top speed of 12.4mph/20kmh
  2. Medium mode with a top speed of 18.6mph/ 30kmh
  3. Fast mode with a top speed of 25mph/ 40kmh

After adamantly sticking to the ‘LingYi’ ESC for so long, Meepo made a last minute change and transitioned to the more popular HobbyWing ESC – at least for the Meepo Classic.

I have reviewed both versions of this board and I would say this is a very welcomed change.

The Hobbywing ESC is famous for its butter smooth speed changes, precise control with no latency and consistent behavior in the whole speed range.
Some say this control is even better than the Boosted, which is the highest praise that can be offered.

This translates to a very comfortable ride. The board behaves precisely as you will let it, much in distinction to the initial ‘LingYi’ ESC version- which has acceleration come in a delayed “wave” and are more aggressive in both acceleration and deceleration.

It is worth noting that Hobbywing ESC are also known to have smooth and gentle braking that might be a bit too weak for some. I for one have developed a taste for strong, aggressive braking with time and truly miss the initial ‘LingYi’ version that brakes so strong the wheel almost slides.

The idea of the new Hobbywing ESC being precise and lag-less also means that it doesn’t introduce any delay to gradually ramping up the speed when you trigger the throttle. That means, the board has a very zappy nature. A beginner without good throttle control might feel threatened by how the board zaps away if they push the throttle too hard.

But don’t worry, the majority of beginner riders learn and love this control in just a few rides.

With all that said, the final version of Meepo Classic with Hobbywing ESC is still the best version of Meepo, catering well to both beginners and most advanced riders.

Stability & Maneuverability

(Left) Meepo Classic are a little bit lower than the also very nice (right) Verreal F1

It’s no surprise that a drop-through deck makes the most stable ride.

Being inches from the ground really makes keeping balance much easier.

The shredder trucks allow very nice rebound to center when turning. However, stock bushing might be too soft and trucks too loose, to be a top speed machine. Just by tightening the trucks, the board will be more stable for top speed yet carvy enough for turns.

The shredder trucks gave really great turning and carving. Perhaps it is the use of tall barrel bushings or perhaps it’s all about the trucks. Either way, the Meepo Classic is fun to carve, easy to turn, and it does that well without compromising on stability.

Vibration

I call this path the foot massage. The engineer who is responsible for this road should be executed.

Although the deck doesn’t have the most flex in the world, it does have enough of it. That plus the thickness of having 9 plies of Maple deck is thick enough to absorb some of those vibrations.

As a matter of fact, I would give Meepo Classic an A- in vibration handling. It’s pretty good, as good as it gets on hubs.

It’s by far the most comfortable ride on a poor road amongst all the budget boards I’ve tested.

Remote

Changing from the ‘LingYi’ ESC to the HobbyWing ESC means a different remote.

The Meepo Classic will use the standard remote that every other HobbyWing board uses.

I have no complaint though (except now I have to label every one them cause they are the same), cause it is a very good remote.

Looks nice and feels nice in hand.

Good springing dial with a reasonable amount of travel.

Reverse button is at the side so there is no accidental press.

It is a simple remote without many bells and whistles, but importantly without connection issues either.

P.S.: No flashlight, that’s NLS.

Riding Experience Summary

Even if you are not a sucker for drop-through deck like me, the ride that you can get on Meepo Classic will likely still impress you.

Smooth acceleration and braking profile, use of a very responsive Shredder Trucks, awesome deck with good concave, Meepo Classic is an enjoyable ride!

For a hub board, it even handles poor riding surfaces fairly well!

Capability

Meepo Classic retained the very competitive states of it’s predecessor.

Note: Going with HobbyWing ESC means Meepo Classic will not have the smart turn on (roll to power on the board) features. Sad.

Range

Meepo Classic is rocking a 4.0AH 144Wh battery pack.

My range test gets me 9miles (14.5km) with an average speed of 15miles(24.5km).

Voltage sag is not a huge issue with the top speed maintaining at near 25mph(40kmh) up to the very last 0.5miles (1 kilometer).

By the way, this board pushes until the very end. When the battery starts to beep, it means it’s not long before it must stop. Don’t push the range if you are not preparing to kick pushes.

Actually I ride mostly near 18.5mph(30kmh), the stopping dragged the Avg speed down

PS: As a rule of thumb in estimating range, use the formula -> watt hour/10 = expected range in km.

*I weigh around 165lbs (75kg) and was riding in a mostly flat area in a warm climate. 

Speed

Hitting the marketed top speed 25mph/40kmh is not a problem. You will get there really fast on a full charge, and a bit slower when the battery isn’t full, but you will get there.

Voltage sag only appears minutes before the board stops, so that’s really awesome.

Torque

The Meepo Classic’s dual 400W hub motors work about the same as the other Chinese budget boards.

It can handle most incline, and our standard stop and go test, on a 15% graded incline and it poses no challenge to it.

Customer Service

Generally speaking, Meepo’s has some of the better customer service among the budget brands. You can reach them via Facebook, via Wechat, via mail and there are a few brand ambassadors that can help you solve your problem.

However, being the best selling budget board brand means they have a lot more customers to serve and from time to time experience lapses in their customer service.

But you can eventually get through to them. Even when they reply slow, you can still be assured that they will do the right things by the customers.

The most valuable part about buying the Meepo is the Meepo community. Every potential issue will be exposed and solution found by the community members. Some weird rattling noise? Someone who had that problem knows the exact solution.Want to do some DIY upgrade? Chances are there is already a guide or Facebook post about it.
When you buy a Meepo, you will never be alone.

Verdict

As the Meepo moves away from the ‘LingYi’ ESC to the HobbyWing ESC, it became very difficult to find anything to nitpick on.

Let me get down to brass tacks, I think Meepo Classic is the best affordable eskate on the market for now, for most people.

With the Classic, Meepo had really came a long way and learnt from the mistake of its previous product. The result is gonna be a new classic indeed.

Gone are the scrappy packaging and garage quality finishing. Now the whole product is tip-top from the package down to the board itself.

Gone are the harsh aggressive control. As Meepo embraces the popular HobbyWing ESC (at least for the Classic) that are both smoother and more precise.

Gone are the weird convex deck that inspires the deck-swap movement. The Meepo Classic now rocks one of the best deck you can find on a production board.

And this complete package is only asking for the standard $430 entry level budget board price! Crazy!

I have no hesitation in recommending Meepo Classic to anyone looking for an electric skateboard. This board for now, until something better eventually comes along, are the best option for most people and should be the first consideration when looking for a board.

Visit MeepoBoard @ www.meepoboard.com

AEboard AE1 Review- 10s3p of goodness?

Foreword

It’s almost impossible to run out of new Chinese budget board to review, so here is another one.

In this very crowded budget board market, there are many dodgy brands that don’t last long. Even the established brands offer rather generic and boring products that are merely clones or tweaks of existing products.

With that said, AEboard, one of the youngest brands from the Chinese market, is full of potential and looking to stay by offering some very aggressive products.

AEboard took the proposition of maximizing performance per dollar and took it to the extreme by slapping on a huge 10s3p battery, all while keeping the price tag at the entry level.

Combined with a different design, they created a series of boards that, though not groundbreaking, are a lot different than the looks of the Meepo, Wowgo, and Ownboard that we are so bored with.

And that, of course, comes with different strengths and weakness.

Introduction to AEBoards

Recently founded in August 2018, AEboard is one of the youngest vendors in the market.

The founder, Ben, is a technician who worked in logistics for an eskate company. After receiving an Eskate as a gift from his client, he inevitably fell in love with the sport and ventured out to start his own brand.

As of right now, this is still a small, scrappy company with only 8 team members. But we all know how quickly a company in China can grow once the ball starts rolling downhill.

AEBoard AE1 Review

While most of its specs are quite typical, the AEboard AE1 rocks a bigger battery pack and therefore has a significantly longer range in comparison to other budget boards:

  • Top Speed: 25mph (40kmh)
  • Range: 17.4mil (28km)
  • Weight: 19lbs (8.6kg)
  • Charge Time: 3 Hours
  • Features: Regenerative Braking, Swappable PU Sleeves.
  • Price: around $429 USD (after shipping fee).

Build Quality

Packaging

The theme of AEboard AE1 is raw and utilitarian. And this starts with the packaging.

AEboard AE1 came in a very simple box.

The packaging inside the box is simple too- just some foam padding to keep everything in place and undamaged.

The board doesn’t come with much. Included is the charger, the remote, a micro-USB cable, a T-tool and that’s pretty much it.

Nothing fancy. The whole unboxing experience reminds me of the very first Meepo board back in the day or how Verreal was when just starting out.

Nothing fancy- very practical- just the product and nothing else.

Deck

There are things that I love a lot about the AE1 deck… and there are things that I absolutely hate.

The 7 ply Canadian maple deck has a small drop to it. This allows the ride to be lower. Technically, drop deck will have a lesser truck response. However, I always paradoxically find that improving with dropped deck, perhaps due to it allowing the trucks to be set looser?

The healthy concave on the deck also makes standing and moving about on the deck very comfortable.

Nice concave

And the thing about the deck that I hate? The stiffness of the deck. This thing has the stiffest deck you can find on any eskate.

The thing has zero gives!

The stiff deck, in combination with the single-piece board length aluminum enclosure that runs along the bottom of the deck, make sure that the board rides like a steel plate. Absolute nightmare to ride on anything but the smoothest of roads.

The grip tape itself is also one of the most abrasive I’ve ever encountered. 
That blue thing is not fabric or skin-friendly at all.

That grip tape cut my hand at least a couple times.

Component Enclosures

Nothing fancy. Very stiff.

AE 1’s again, op for a simple single piece aluminum enclosure that runs the length of the board.

Mine has no graphic on it but shortly after I received mine, they started to place their AEboard logo on it. Nothing to write home about though.

I can tell that the enclosure is made out of good material and should be able to hold up against abuses, but it still doesn’t make up for the fact that this is a very bad idea because it makes the board completely stiff.

At least you can be sure that this thing will never crack.

Wheels and Motors

As for the wheels- AE1 is rocking the standard 90mm wheels.

The hubs are dual 250W motor, which is a pretty generic tool. They are known to perform well, so no complaints there.

AEboard AE1 is using the same kind of swappable PU wheels as the Verreal F1, where the outer motor housing is replaced as a unit.

It also costs $44.99 per hub.

These hubs work well for me. I didn’t notice any weird noises or any unusual experiences.

The bearings on the wheels are generic too, which isn’t the most important thing in the world.. when we are not kick-pushing anyways.

Trucks

As for the trucks, AE1 goes with the ubiquitous generic trucks that are shared by Wowgo 2S and Verreal F1 to name a few.

Although I had made a fuss about how these pair of trucks won’t turn when put on Wowgo 2S, I always find it matches really well with drop decks. It works for the Verreal F1 and it’s no surprise that it works well for AE1 too.

It uses the same soft 90A bushing for both.

This set up is exactly the same as the Wowgo 2s, but it really works better with this drop deck.

Riding Experience:

Acceleration and Deceleration

I love how I can just lift some text from my previous reviews for boards that share the same Electronic Speed Controller, as they have the same behavior in speed control.

The advertised top speed for AEboard in different speed modes are similar too.

There are 3 ride modes:

  1. Slow mode with a top speed of 11mph/18kmh
  2. Middle mode with a top speed of 17mph/ 28kmh
  3. Fast mode with a top speed of 23mph/ 38kmh

If given a long runway, I can push the board up to 24.5mph/ 40kmh with a full battery. So AE1 definitely hits its advertised top speed.
I weigh 165lbs(75kg) by the way. 

Now lets talk about the speed control.

You can usually know what kind of control you get by looking at what Electronic Speed Controller(ESC) the board uses. There are two very widely used ESC in the Chinese eskate market.

  • HobbyWing ESC – The one used by Ownboard, Wowgo and Verreal.
  • ‘LingYi’ ESC – the one used by Meepo V2P and the Yeeplay.

And when two board share the same ESC, you can bet the acceleration and braking profile is gonna be the same.

W1S uses the HobbyWing ESC and this ESC is known to have the smoothest control.
Some say it offers controls that are even smoother than the Boosted ESC.

This electric speed controller gives the AE1 a very precise, low latency, and consistent control, which makes for a comfortable ride.

The precision and lack of lag are what makes HobbyWing ESC special.
You can have the board accelerate as fast as you want or as gentle as you want by controlling the throttle. The board will react instantly and precisely.

This makes speed change less scary when riding at top speed.

However, if you are an absolute beginner that has poor throttle control, you might be very intimidated by the zippiness of this control. Your thumb is the only thing stopping your board from zipping off so nothing is going to stop you from pushing down too hard on the throttle and falling.

This is because, by the virtue of no lag and precise control, this ESC doesn’t introduce speed ramping to smooth out speed change.

Even with that said, the majority of Eskaters end up preferring this type of control in the long run. It may just take some getting used to in the very very beginning.

Braking on the Hobbywing ESC is also one of the smoothest, with the caveat of possibly being too weak for some, and it can’t brake to a stop when going down an incline.
Generally speaking, most skaters prefer this kind of smooth gentle braking but it’s a ‘bummer’ when you really need an emergency stop. I recommend all skaters learn to footbrake in order to not rely solely on electronic braking.

Stability & Maneuverability

I haven’t come across any board with a drop deck that doesn’t do well in stability and maneuverability. 

AE1 didn’t break that trend.

Broad deck, good concave, low riding height, and heavy ride feel are all a recipe for a stable ride.

The board might have given me a false sense of improved maneuverability just because it is so low and stable that I feel comfortable to lean harder and do a bit of monkey toe.

It definitely is not for close quarter maneuvering though.

Vibration

Real BAD.

You need to know that you are riding on an aluminum fixed deck and it is as stiff as it can be. The stiffest deck I have every put my feet on.

You can practically feel the ‘aluminium plate’ beneath the deck as you stand on the board.

Your feet and knee will be able to read every minor grain from the road like a braille. It tired my leg out quickly on a new smooth pavement, and it’s absolutely unbearable on a less than perfect road.

If you are going to use this board for the long term, you might want to do something about the vibration.
Such as swapping to soft Orangatang wheels, swapping to better soft riser/shock pad, regrip it with shock absorbing grip tape, or wearing shoes with a thick sole and wearing thicker socks.

Or just swap out the enclosure to something flexible like the one on Evolve. That should do the trick.

Remote

This is the standard remote that pairs with the Hobbywing ESC.

Everybody uses it cause it is pretty good.

It’s ergonomic and fits nicely in the hand.

The dial is springy with a good amount of resistance for better control and it has a reasonable amount of travel.

The reverse switch at the side is a sliding switch so there is no way of accidentally triggering it, as opposed to some other remotes which use a button.

It is a simple remote without many bells and whistles and of course, no disconnection issues so far.

Riding Experience Summary

For me, it really depends on what kind of surface I am riding on that day.

When I am riding in an indoor carpark or a newly paved road, AE1 is really comfortable to ride.

It is one of the boards that I feel comfortable pushing all the way to top speed, thanks to the stable design and the smoothness of the control.

Carving on it is really fun and surf-y thanks to the broad drop deck and the concave that it has. 

I will however, immediately step off the board when the road gets rough.

It is just unbearable and I don’t want to have my knees replaced when I am still in my twenties.

Hey team AEboard, do something about that vibrations and this board will be awesome!

Capability

AE1 is trying to fill the specs sheet beyond what we usually can expect from a budget board.

Range

There are three battery options for AEboards.

  • 6.0AH, Samsung 20R(213wh) -13-17miles/ 21-28km range ($429.99)
  • 9.6AH Panasonic NCR18650G(345.6wh) – 20-24.8miles/ 33-40km range ($529.99)
  • 12.6AH Sanyo 20700B (453.6wh) – 27-32miles/ 45-52km range ($689.99)

The board that I reviewed is the base version with 6.0AH Standard battery.

I get 13miles (22km) with a lot of stopping. I usually kept my speed at around 17mph(28kmh) or so.

To put this into the context, AE1’s 10s3p Samsung 20R battery perform just the same as Ownboard W1S 10S2p Samsung 30Q. 
10 extra batteries= extra bulk = extra weight but didn’t result in extra range. Sad.

Well actually, I should have expected them to perform similarly. They are both rated at 6.0AH and similar watthours after all.

Voltage sag is not really significant in these high-quality Samsung 30Q batteries. The real slow down happens at the last bar or around the last mile(1.5km) where the board slows to a running speed before eventually stopping.

PS2: As a rule of thumb in estimating range, use the formula -> watt hour/10 = expected range in km.

*I weigh around 165lbs (75kg) and was riding in a mostly flat area in a warm climate. 

Speed

I can go beyond the marketed top speed and hit 25mph/40kmh on a full charge.

When the battery wasn’t full, the top speed is still a healthy 
 22mph/ 37kmh.

Voltage sags only appear at the very last mile, where the top speed drops to 15mph(25km), and then gradually slow down.

Torque

The AE1’s dual 250W hub motors work about the same as the other Chinese budget boards.

It can handle most incline, and our standard stop and go test, on a 15% graded incline and it poses no challenge to it.

Customer Service

Well this is something tricky to comment on.

AEboard is a very young company, so young in fact that we have yet to hear how they handle customer complaints, cause they aren’t any yet.

Marie would be the person taking care of customer satisfaction, and she has been very responsive, helpful and courteous in our previous dealing, which is a good surrogate measure on how good the customer service will be.
(It’s something basic, but you would be surprised how many vendors can’t even do that.)

With that being said, I can vouch for this young vendor. 
(Keep me in the loop if you have any trouble with them though!
My vendor customer service ratings rely heavily on buyers feedback and I might even help to mediate some of the dispute too!)

Verdict

So, should you buy an AE1?

I don’t know, really!

The board has a personality, and it certainly isn’t just another boring Chinese budget board!

The broad deck with the slight drop is really the star here, and it’s a 6.0AH board asking for a 4.0AH price.

How the stiff aluminium enclosure eliminates any flex might be a deal-breaker for anyone who rides on less than perfect pavement.
With that said, a simple enclosure swap might fix this outright.

So, my verdict:
If you are looking for a budget board with a small range boost and don’t mind a stiff deck, AE1 is a great choice.
If you can’t stand an extra stiff deck, but can mod your eskate, AE1 still provides a good base for a DIY.
If you can’t stand an extra stiff deck, and don’t want to do any modding, don’t buy this.

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Ownboard W1S Review – Similar or better?

Ownboard W1S– Review

Foreword

In our quest to review all the noteworthy boards in the Chinese budget board segment, we have gone through Meepo, Wowgo, and the Verreal.

Today, we will be moving on to the Ownboard, one amongst the big-4 vendors in the Chinese budget board space.

Coming into the market a little bit later than Meepo and Wowgo, Ownboard is often a second consideration after its more famous doppelganger, the Wowgo 2s.

This must cause frustration for the Ownboard team, which has long been in the OEM business and is by far the more mature company of the two.

In our opinion, the Ownboard W1S, the star of today’s review, is actually a better product (at least marginally) than the very similarly priced Wowgo 2S.

Introduction to Ownboard

Ownboard was founded in 2013 as an OEM company for hoverboards and ‘Segways’.

In 2015, they started to get into the electric skateboard business and were the manufacturer for many budget brands in the Chinese market.

When the Chinese budget board craze hit the international market, Ownboard and it’s 68-man-strong company decided to create their own budget brand.

With the advantage of being a big manufacturer, they not only manage to keep up with all the iterations and upgrades offered by competitors but even eek out advantages for themselves by using superior parts.

They are also one of the few companies that are able to ship to US buyers from the states themselves, an important consideration when shopping for a Chinese manufactured board (for those from the US anyway).

Ownboard W1S Review

The Ownboard W1s has pretty standard specs for boards in its segment:

  • Top Speed: 25mph (40kmh)
  • Range: 12mil (18.5km)
  • Weight: 17.2lbs (7.8kg)
  • Charge Time: 3 Hours
  • Features: Regenerative Braking, Swappable PU Sleeves.
  • Price: around $432 USD (after delivery fee).

Build Quality

Deck

The Ownboard W1S deck is made of 6 plies of maple and 2 plies of bamboo.
This gives it a slightly better flex than its Wowgo counterpart which uses only maple for its 8 ply deck.

There is some camber to the deck, but no concave, unfortunately.

There is an option for EVA grip tape when buying an Ownboard, which is quite noteworthy. This is a setup with a 2mm-thick soft padding underneath the regular sandpaper grip tape.

It may be prone to be separated from the grip tape if you abuse it. Don’t worry, it is easy to try to stick it back on.

This foam padding helps to dampen vibrations from poor roads.
It makes a tiny difference.. like.. 1% difference, but I ain’t complaining as every little bit helps.

Component Enclosures and ESC

The Ownboard W1s uses the fairly ubiquitous dual steel enclosure.

Ownboard did add something extra though, a small screen on the side to show the battery percentage.

It is not by any means a game-changer but I really do appreciate knowing the exact percentage of the charge I have left.

Especially when I am charging the board!
No more going to the remote just to see how much the board has charged!

Wheels

No surprise here, Ownboard W1S uses 90mm 85a wheels.

90mm is pretty much the standard wheel size for the budget board industry at this point.

For the hub wheels, you get to choose between two variants. The one with swappable PU sleeve and the one without.

My review unit had the swappable PU hubs.
They work well for me, I didn’t notice any weird noises or loose screws on my hubs.

It is also worth mentioning that the Ownboard W1S comes with ceramic bearings, which freeroll significantly better than typical Chinese generic bearings.

Although bearing are not the most important thing in the world when you’re not kick-pushing, it’s still a really nice upgrade to have.

Trucks

For the trucks, the Ownboard W1S uses paris-truck clones. They are much turnier as compare to the Chinese generic truck found on the Wowgo/ Verreal models.

This is the same truck that the Yeeplay M2s uses, but with nicer bushings right out of the box.

Another nice touch on the W1S is that it uses harder 95A bushing on the back truck and softer 90A bushings on the front. This allows the board to turn easier while minimizing speed wobbles.

I like it.

However, a turnier truck often means less stability.

W1S does feel less stable if ridden at high speed, but I think the tradeoff is worth it.

Build Quality Summary

Coming from a seasoned manufacturer, the Ownboard W1S doesn’t disappoint in product polish and packaging.

Although you won’t mistake the Ownboard W1S for a premium board, it is beautiful enough to inspire confidence in its quality.

The board looks good, and it feels good.

Riding Experience:

Acceleration and Deceleration

There are 3 ride modes:

  1. Slow mode with a top speed of 12.5mph/20kmh
  2. Middle mode with a top speed of 18.5mph/ 30kmh
  3. Fast mode with a top speed of 23.5mph/ 38kmh

You can usually the feel of a board’s controller by looking at which Electronic Speed Controller (ESC) it uses.

There are two very widely used ESC in the Chinese eskate market.

  • The HobbyWing ESC – The one used by Ownboard, Wowgo and Verreal.
  • The ‘LingYi’ ESC – the one used by Meepo V2P and the Yeeplay.

And when two board share the same ESC, you can bet the acceleration and braking profile is gonna be the same.

W1S uses the HobbyWing ESC and this ESC is known to have the smoothest control.
Some say it offers controls that are even smoother than the Boosted.

This electronic speed controller gives the Ownboard W1S a very precise, low latency, and consistent control, which makes for a comfortable ride.

The precision and lack of lag are what makes the HobbyWing ESC special.
You can have the board accelerate as fast as you want or as gentle as you want by controlling the throttle. The board will react instantly and precisely.

This makes speed changes less scary when riding at top speed.

However, if you are an absolute beginner that have poor throttle control, you might be very intimidated by the zippiness of this control.
As your thumb is the only thing stopping your board from zipping off, nothing is going to stop you from pushing down too hard on the throttle and falling.

This is because, by the virtue of no lag and precise control, this ESC doesn’t introduce speed ramping to smooth out speed changes.

Even with that said, the majority of Eskaters end up preferring this type of controller in the long run, it just may take some getting used to in the very very beginning.

Braking on the Hobbywing ESC is also one of the smoothest I have tested, with the caveat of possibly being too weak for some, and it can’t brake to a stop when going down an incline.
Generally speaking, most skaters prefer this kind of smooth gentle braking but it’s a ‘bummer’ when you really need an emergency stop. I recommend all skaters learn to footbrake in order to not rely solely on electronic braking.

Stability & Maneuverability

At this point in time (end of 2018), I would recommend the Ownboard W1S over the Wowgo 2s just on the grounds of better maneuverability. This largely has to do with the truck and bushing choices.

Right out of the box, the Ownboard W1s carves like a dream with its turn-y trucks and soft bushing.
You can turn tighter and have a freer carve on the W1S as compared to the Wowgo 2s.

And as mentioned, Ownboard put extra thought into their design and put harder bushings on the back truck to reduce speed wobble.

On the flip side of the coin, however, the combination of turny trucks, with a narrow and flat deck means the W1S isn’t the most stable-feeling board.

If the plan is to go top speed all the way, I wouldn’t recommend the Ownboard W1S except to the most seasoned skaters. At least not without some minor upgrades.

Primarily, I would want a better deck, at least one with some concave to help my feet feel at ease.

With all that said, for the way W1S is right out of the box, I will give it an A- for maneuverability and B for stability.

Vibration

Big wheels, slight flex on the deck, and EVA grip tape padding help the Ownboard W1S perform fairly smoothly on even rough roads.

Marginally above average, I would say, slightly better than the Wowgo 2s.

Remote

The Ownboard W1s uses the standard Hobbywing remote that many many other Chinese eskate companies share. It has been tried and true as a great remote.

It’s ergonomic and fits nicely in the hand.

The dial is springy with a good amount of resistance for better control and it has a reasonable amount of travel.

The reverse switch at the side is a sliding switch so there is no way of accidentally triggering it as opposed to some other remotes which use a button.

It is a simple remote without many bells and whistles and of course, no disconnection issues so far.

Riding Experience

The Ownboard W1s gives a well-rounded riding experience right out of the box.

You can ride it like you stole it.

Great speed control. Check.
Great maneuverability. Check.
Great Stability. Well, I won’t say great but it’s fair.
Fair in reducing vibration from the road.

As per my complaint about its doppelganger the Wowgo 2s, some feel that the Ownboard W1S is pretty bland and lacking in ‘personality’.

But that’s just nitpicking.

Capability

The Ownboard W1s is on par in capability with the other Chinese budget boards.
This means it has good value for money if compared to boards from any other segments.

Range

There are three battery options for the Ownboard W1S.

  • 4.0AH, Samsung 20R(144wh) -12miles/ 19km range
  • 6.0AH Samsung 30Q(230wh) – 14miles/ 22.5km range
  • 8.5AH Sanyo (306wh) – 18.5miles/ 30km range

The board that I reviewed had the 6.0AH standard battery.

On a conservative ride in the top speed mode (with lots of stopping and going), I got around 13.5miles(22km) in one charge.
My test might skew towards the optimistic side bearing in mind that I weigh 165lbs (75kg) and was riding in a mostly flat area in a warm climate.

You probably should set your expectations at around 10miles(16km).

Voltage sag is not really significant in these high-quality Samsung 30Q batteries. The real slow down happens at the last bar or around the last mile(1.5km) where the board slows to a running speed before eventually stopping.

P.S, as a rule of thumb in estimating range, use the formula -> watt hour/10 = expected range in km.

Speed

I can hit the marketed top speeds of 25mph/ 40kmh on a full charge.

Once the battery hits 50%, the top speed will only drop marginally to 22mph/ 37kmh.

Again, I weigh 75kg or 165lbs.

Torque

The Ownboard W1s features dual 250W hub motors.

Without any surprise, this setup allows the W1s to handle most inclines.

It passed the standard stop and go test on a 15% incline.

Customer Service

Customer service is a big part of any Eskate purchase, even for a “budget” brand.

Ownboard’s customer service is generally good, but they do have their occasional slip-ups. Complaints about tracking numbers, faulty parts that took way too long to get delivered etc.

There is a dedicated staff member named Phoebe who handles customer service, and her response is generally quick and helpful.

So yeah, I am comfortable recommending Ownboard on the basis of strong customer service.

Verdict

If you are looking for a well-rounded eskate with comfortable control, the Ownboard W1s should be at the top of your list.

It almost just a deck swap away from being a perfect budget eboard.

Do some people prefer the Verreal F1, for its more agile ride and the stability of the dropped deck with good concave?
Certainly, but the Ownboard W1s have better ‘insulation’ from vibration and a nicer carvy feel.

Do some people prefer the Meepo V2’s better deck, trucks, and stronger yet harsher control? Certainly, but even more would swear by the smoothness of control that the W1S offers.

Some will prefer the caliber-clone truck on the Wowgo 2s that give less wobbles, but not me. I prefer a turny truck, the ceramic bearings upgrade is also a great plus.

In conclusion, as budget boards go, the Ownboard W1s sits pretty high on my list.

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